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I’ve been reading some of the favorites – love your story! Wanted to let you guys know that the first panel should be ‘Wale on each other.’
Thanks for the awesome comic!
Yep, it definitely should be “wale” there. The “wailing” should be saved for the battle of the beauty goddess (and god) contestants.
I have been reading this for a while now and I love what you’ve been doing with it, but this particular strip has been bugging me. Isn’t Shango the African/Carribbean god of thunder? Ogoun is only associated with sky gods when he’s merged with Shango, but Ogoun’s aspect is metal. He’s essentially the Voodoo God’s answer to Hephaestus.
I mean, I’ve made the confusion myself, in a dream actually. I think I had it around the time where you published the strip too, to make things weirder, if possible.
Anyway, keep up the good work. I’m still looking forward to a Hel/Hod matchup, if there is one. (crosses fingers)
Shango was actually one of my first choices to use for the Thunder god competition, but I wound up using Ogoun mostly because I wanted to do the rum gag. But the research was still there. There are some books/people that “theorize” Ogoun is similar or derived from (or possibly even the same as) the African deity Gu, who was a thunder god and patron deity of blacksmiths. I know the relationship is mentioned in the Patricia Turner/Charles Coulter book, “Dictionary of Ancient Deities”. Since Ogoun has that aspect linked to him some of the time, I felt okay about tossing him into the thunder god competition.
Thanks for the comment… it’s good to see someone around here with knowledge of the African deities and Vodun loas.
I think I’m gonna need that book. Godchecker lists Shango as the party-boy and rum-hoarder, whereas Ogoun is the dealer of Justice. I don’t know much about the African/Voodoo divinities but I do know that Shango is actually associated with Justice considering he’s a symbol of anti-slavery. He’s also known for his roles as a Priest and Thief(if I remember right).
I guess not all sources are to be trusted, but then again a lot of mythology is kinda blurry. Any other picks you might recommend? Good mythology books are kinda hard to find here. At least in large retail book stores.
I have a couple Norse mythology books listed in the Links section here, and I’ve been meaning to add more. If you want more of the Loa/Haitian mythos, there’s a book I have on my “to buy” list that’s supposed to be pretty good called “Divine Horsemen: The Living Gods of Haiti”.
And well, there are a lot more mythology books out there. Let me go through my home library and put together a nice listing of mythology books. I’ll put them into a post on the front page probably by Thursday. If you have any particular mythologies you’re interested in (Celtic, Greek, African, Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Russian, etc) just list them here, and I’ll try to get them added to the list.
Greek is the easiest pantheon to get info on be it from classical to contemporary literature, so I think I’m covered. I can even make a few recommendations:
-Ovid’s Metamorphoses(probably the best source for most of the Greek Gods’ adventures)
-Aeneid(follows the son of Aphrodite and his founding of Rome)
-D’Aulaires’ Book of Greek Myths(PG version of Greek mythology, has wonderful illustrations, don’t know if it’s still in print though)
-Sophocles(for Oedipus Rex and the story of his daughter Antigone; doesn’t mention a lot about Gods, but does mention a lot about Greek society wrapped in mythology)
-Homer’s Illad and Odyssey(I haven’t read the Illiad, but it’s an epic war in itself and caused by a foolish mortal and three goddesses; the Odyssey is man versus god, a must read)
Indian I’m also covered. My recommendation is the Ramayana. It showcases all sorts of demons, mythological creatures, powers and gods. The Bhagavad Gita shows an interesting side of Vishnu and is a part of the immense Mahabharata, which I definately intend to read. There are translations out for both, but it takes a good edition to properly convey the spiritual meaning, I think. I read the translation of Ramayana by Ramesh Menon. Supposedly, it’s one of the best, but the English is kinda plain and I had a hard time taking it seriously. It’s easy to read though. More importantly, there’s a story in it about Vishvamitra’s road to enlightenment(which is kinda funny).
For Chinese mythology, Journey to the West(also known as Monkey) is foremost in my mind, but I have yet to read or find it. It details the adventures of Sun Wukong, the Monkey King.
Personally, I’d like to find detailed books about Japanese and Egyptian mythology. Especially Egyptian, I’ve been trying to find a storybook or something similar to D’Aulaires’ Book of Greek Mythology or as encompassing as the Prose Edda or Volsung Saga, but all I have is the Egyptian Book of the Dead. I’ve had it for years and I’m still having trouble reading it.
As a final note, look for references of mythology in Dante Alghieri’s divine comedy(mostly in Inferno and Purgatory I think) and also Shakespeare’s plays. Shakespeare made only one original play, The Tempest. The others are merely reworkings of old tales and include brief mentions of deities or heroes from various pantheons. Classic example, the three witches in MacBeth. They are often associated with the three Norns or Fates from Norse and Greek mythology. They could be associated with something else as well. The god of marriage Hymen makes an appearance in As You Like it. Couldn’t say for sure what pantheon he comes from, but I imagine it’s Roman.
Speaking of which, the Romans have a few gods the Greeks don’t, such as Janus, though most others seem to be the same people. It’d be interesting to find a book on that. I’ll see what I can dig up.
In any case, thanks for the recommendation, I’ll see if I can find it.
Loved the Super-Friends reference in the second panel.
Actually – interestingly enough – the term “waling” on somebody came from a western european duelling practice – they used to use whale-bone sticks for non-lethal dueling (or at least to reduce the lethality) so they were in effect whacking on each other with long sticks not too disimilar to the rattan used by the SCA for instance. It actually used to be spelled “Whaling” on each other as often as ‘waling’ and there wasn’t a standardized spelling till much later, long after the practice was long gone.
@Mahasuchi – As for Japanese mythology, there is quite a bit of interest in the Kojiki and the Nihon Shoki. Both are native books of Japanese “history”, starting with the creation of the world and continuing right down through Emperor Jimmu, the first emperor of Japan, and then following down through the line of emperors descended directly from the gods. But the first half or so of each is a vast treasure trove of gods, goddesses, and their adventures and exploits. Give it a go
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